I bought this one last week from an auction in Florida. He appears to have been a person of means and refinement. I know this is before 1860 but don't know how much before. I've got to study men's ties from 1780 to 1880 as a guide for dating paintings. I bought this one Sunday from an auction in Connecticut. The outfit and the bible leave no doubt that he was a minister. I am dating this one about 1850. No frame, but the size is not uncommon so I should be able to find something suitable.